{"items":"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1112\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1112 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-877\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Catalina-Martinez-1024x512.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: Center for Reproductive Rights.\" decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Catalina-Martinez-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Catalina-Martinez-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Catalina-Martinez-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Catalina-Martinez.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t19\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tMar\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">TRANSFORMING A REGION<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:32:29+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"hovered-social-icons wd-tltp wd-tltp-top\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wd-tooltip-label\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<link rel=\"stylesheet\" id=\"wd-social-icons-css\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/themes\/woodmart\/css\/parts\/el-social-icons.min.css?ver=7.6.0\" type=\"text\/css\" media=\"all\" \/> \t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\" wd-social-icons  icons-design-default icons-size-small color-scheme-light social-share social-form-circle text-center\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-facebook\" aria-label=\"Facebook social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/share?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-twitter\" aria-label=\"X social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-linkedin\" aria-label=\"Linkedin social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/api.whatsapp.com\/send?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftheysaidso.org%2Fcatalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo%2F\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"whatsapp-desktop  wd-social-icon social-whatsapp\" aria-label=\"WhatsApp social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"whatsapp:\/\/send?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftheysaidso.org%2Fcatalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo%2F\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"whatsapp-mobile  wd-social-icon social-whatsapp\" aria-label=\"WhatsApp social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Catalina Mart\u00ednez Coral<\/strong><br \/>\nVice President, Center for Reproductive Rights<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/catalina-martinez-centerforreproductiverights-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1136\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1136 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights tag-media\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-851\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-vuillemin-fondation-hirondelle-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"511\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Caroline-Vuillemin-1024x511.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: Fondation Hirondelle.\" decoding=\"async\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Caroline-Vuillemin-1024x511.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Caroline-Vuillemin-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Caroline-Vuillemin-768x383.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/02\/Caroline-Vuillemin.jpg 1061w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t18\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tFeb\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-vuillemin-fondation-hirondelle-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">THE FIGHT FOR RELIABLE NEWS IN CRISIS ZONES<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:33:05+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' loading='lazy' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-vuillemin-fondation-hirondelle-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-linkedin\" aria-label=\"Linkedin social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/api.whatsapp.com\/send?text=https%3A%2F%2Ftheysaidso.org%2Fcaroline-vuillemin-fondation-hirondelle-by-julian-ginzo%2F\" target=\"_blank\" class=\"whatsapp-desktop  wd-social-icon social-whatsapp\" aria-label=\"WhatsApp social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<a 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wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Caroline Vuillemin<\/strong><br \/>\nDirector General, Fondation Hirondelle<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-vuillemin-fondation-hirondelle-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1088\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1088 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-453\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a 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datetime=\"2026-01-09T20:47:28+02:00\">\n\t\t\t09\/01\/2026\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' loading='lazy' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div 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wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:30:35+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' loading='lazy' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n 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tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/christopher-king-the-gentlemen-course-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">FROM FAMILY LEGACY TO GLOBAL ADVOCACY<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:32:29+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Rosanna Flamer-Caldera<\/strong><br \/>\nExecutive Director, Equal Ground<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/rosanna-flamer-caldera-equalground-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-80\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-80 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights 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Credits: Jennifer Gold.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Martin-Luther-King-III-1024x516.png 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Martin-Luther-King-III-300x151.png 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Martin-Luther-King-III-768x387.png 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/08\/Martin-Luther-King-III.png 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t22\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tAug\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header 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Credits: IBJ.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Karen-Tse-1024x516.png 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Karen-Tse-300x151.png 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Karen-Tse-768x387.png 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/10\/Karen-Tse.png 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t01\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tDec\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div 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