{"items":"\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1396\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1396 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-686\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"511\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Santiago-Canton-1-1024x511.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: International Commission of Jurists.\" decoding=\"async\" fetchpriority=\"high\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Santiago-Canton-1-1024x511.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Santiago-Canton-1-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Santiago-Canton-1-768x383.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Santiago-Canton-1.jpg 1059w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t09\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tNov\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">HOPE BEATS THE DEVIL<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:36:00+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"hovered-social-icons wd-tltp wd-tltp-top\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wd-tooltip-label\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<link rel=\"stylesheet\" id=\"wd-social-icons-css\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/themes\/woodmart\/css\/parts\/el-social-icons.min.css?ver=7.6.0\" type=\"text\/css\" media=\"all\" \/> \t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\" wd-social-icons  icons-design-default icons-size-small color-scheme-light social-share social-form-circle text-center\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-facebook\" aria-label=\"Facebook social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/share?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-twitter\" aria-label=\"X social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" 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aria-label=\"WhatsApp social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Santiago Canton<\/strong><br \/>\nSecretary-General, International Commission of Jurists<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/santiago-canton-icj-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1390\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1390 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-189\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"511\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Lina-AbiRafeh-1024x511.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: LAR\" decoding=\"async\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Lina-AbiRafeh-1024x511.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Lina-AbiRafeh-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Lina-AbiRafeh-768x383.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/Lina-AbiRafeh.jpg 1059w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t02\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tNov\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">FEMINISM, NOT OPTIONAL<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:36:00+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' 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text-center\">\n\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/sharer\/sharer.php?u=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-facebook\" aria-label=\"Facebook social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/share?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-twitter\" aria-label=\"X social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/shareArticle?mini=true&url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Lina AbiRafeh<\/strong><br \/>\nFounder, Better4Women<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/lina-abirafeh-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1387\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1387 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights tag-justice\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-420\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/george-newhourse-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"509\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/George-Newhouse-1024x509.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: National Justice Project.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/George-Newhouse-1024x509.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/George-Newhouse-300x149.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/George-Newhouse-768x381.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/10\/George-Newhouse.jpg 1059w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t26\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tOct\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/george-newhourse-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>George Newhouse<\/strong><br \/>\nDirector, National Justice Project<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" 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MU.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Marine-Uldry-1-1024x512.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Marine-Uldry-1-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Marine-Uldry-1-768x384.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Marine-Uldry-1.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t28\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tSep\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div 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class=\"whatsapp-mobile  wd-social-icon social-whatsapp\" aria-label=\"WhatsApp social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/marine-uldry-european-disability-forum-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Marine Uldry<\/strong><br \/>\nSenior Policy Coordinator, European Disability Forum<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/marine-uldry-european-disability-forum-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1350\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1350 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights tag-irc tag-nigeria\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-114\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/babatunde-ojei-irc-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"516\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Babatunde-Ojei-1024x516.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: Rescue.org\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Babatunde-Ojei-1024x516.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Babatunde-Ojei-300x151.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Babatunde-Ojei-768x387.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/09\/Babatunde-Ojei.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t21\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span 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class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' loading='lazy' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"hovered-social-icons wd-tltp wd-tltp-top\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wd-tooltip-label\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\" wd-social-icons  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Women in Governance.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Caroline-Codsi-1024x510.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Caroline-Codsi-300x149.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Caroline-Codsi-768x382.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Caroline-Codsi.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t31\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tAug\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-codsi-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Caroline Codsi<\/strong><br \/>\nFounder, Women in Governance<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/caroline-codsi-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1313\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1313 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-human-rights tag-save-the-children\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-843\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/sarra-ghazi-save-the-children-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"513\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Sarra-Ghazi-1024x513.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: Save The Children International.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Sarra-Ghazi-1024x513.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Sarra-Ghazi-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Sarra-Ghazi-768x385.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/Sarra-Ghazi.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t10\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tAug\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/sarra-ghazi-save-the-children-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">REBUILDING CHILDHOOD AFTER WAR<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:32:29+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' src='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=32&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g' srcset='https:\/\/secure.gravatar.com\/avatar\/4c230f6bf4d5dee23d9fc33d53ab26083d88e155dfbeb4bf9e381041d406977a?s=64&#038;d=mm&#038;r=g 2x' class='avatar avatar-32 photo' height='32' width='32' loading='lazy' decoding='async'\/>\t\t\n\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/author\/julianginzogmail-com\/\" rel=\"author\">\n\t\t\t<span class=\"vcard author author_name\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"fn\">Juli\u00e1n Ginzo<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/ul>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-meta -->\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"hovered-social-icons wd-tltp wd-tltp-top\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"wd-tooltip-label\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<div class=\" wd-social-icons  icons-design-default icons-size-small color-scheme-light social-share social-form-circle 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class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a rel=\"noopener noreferrer nofollow\" href=\"https:\/\/telegram.me\/share\/url?url=https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/sarra-ghazi-save-the-children-by-julian-ginzo\/\" target=\"_blank\" class=\" wd-social-icon social-tg\" aria-label=\"Telegram social link\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<span class=\"wd-icon\"><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t                    <div class=\"entry-content wd-entry-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<p><strong>Sarra Ghazi<\/strong><br \/>\nCountry Director, Save The Children (Iraq)<\/p>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div><!-- .entry-content -->\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<p class=\"read-more-section\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a class=\"btn-read-more more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/sarra-ghazi-save-the-children-by-julian-ginzo\/\">Full interview<\/a>\t\t\t\t\t<\/p>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t<\/div>\n<\/article><!-- #post -->\n\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n<article id=\"post-1281\" class=\"wd-post blog-design-default blog-post-loop blog-style-flat wd-col post-1281 post type-post status-publish format-standard has-post-thumbnail hentry category-talks tag-bioethics tag-fashion tag-human-rights\">\n\t<div class=\"article-inner\">\n\t\t\t\t\t<header class=\"entry-header\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<figure id=\"carousel-698\" class=\"entry-thumbnail\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-img-wrapp\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/kaitlin-puccio-unesco-by-julian-ginzo\/\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<img width=\"1024\" height=\"511\" src=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Kaitlin-Puccio-1024x511.jpg\" class=\"attachment-large size-large\" alt=\"Credits: KP.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Kaitlin-Puccio-1024x511.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Kaitlin-Puccio-300x150.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Kaitlin-Puccio-768x383.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/07\/Kaitlin-Puccio.jpg 1061w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t13\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tJul\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div class=\"article-body-container\">\n\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"meta-categories-wrapp\"><div class=\"meta-post-categories wd-post-cat wd-style-with-bg\"><a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/category\/talks\/\" rel=\"category tag\">talks<\/a><\/div><\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<h3 class=\"wd-entities-title title post-title\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t<a href=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/kaitlin-puccio-unesco-by-julian-ginzo\/\" rel=\"bookmark\">WHAT DO WE OWE EACH OTHER?<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/h3>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"entry-meta wd-entry-meta\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<ul class=\"entry-meta-list\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"modified-date\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<time class=\"updated\" datetime=\"2025-12-08T14:31:41+02:00\">\n\t\t\t08\/12\/2025\t\t<\/time>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/li>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<li class=\"meta-author\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span>By<\/span>\n\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<img alt='author-avatar' 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True Heroes.\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Hans-Thoolen-1024x516.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Hans-Thoolen-300x151.jpg 300w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Hans-Thoolen-768x387.jpg 768w, https:\/\/theysaidso.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/04\/Hans-Thoolen.jpg 1055w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/a>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-image-mask\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<span><\/span>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/figure>\n\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<div class=\"post-date wd-post-date wd-style-with-bg\">\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-day\">\n\t\t\t\t\t25\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span class=\"post-date-month\">\n\t\t\t\t\tApr\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\t\t\t<\/header><!-- .entry-header -->\n\n\t\t<div 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